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Animal Shelter Allegations

Last post 10-09-2006, 5:25 PM by jody. 65 replies.
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  •  08-11-2006, 2:00 PM 751033 in reply to 750780

    Re: Animal Shelter Allegations

     

    I think Molly's Place is great.
    There are no health guarantees with animals (as with people).  There are many things that remain hidden in an animals system that even a vet doesn't see.

    If some one wants an animal guaranteed not to get sick....buy a stuffed animal.

    Molly's quarantines any animals that seems sick. They would never knowingly send off a sick animal to a new home.  They want to be doing this for the long haul. There mission is to continue helping animals for a long time.  

    They are doing the best they can over there and it is very impressive.
    Have you ever had to clean up after 1 dog?  2 dogs?    10?   of course it is going to smell.  Anyone who works with large numbers of animals knows the mess and smell that is involved....these are animals!

    Every business/rescue has people that want to complain.  I know that at Molly's you could find many many happy adopters too.  It would be nice if there was a story on on all the happy endings.

    The people with the sick puppy mentioned most recently never contacted Molly's Place about it.  Moll'ys would have taken the puppy back and/or given them their money back.

    By the way Parvo isn't always a death sentence. Did the owners have to put the dog down?.  Maybe we should all analyze that decision.
     I have a dog here adopted from an SPCA that is a Parvo survivor.  
    Re:the "volunteer' who wondered why there were mothers and puppies there..
    Molly's Rescues Animals off of death row from shelters everywhere.  Many SPCA's are euthanizing Moms and puppies daily.
    For someone who "worked" there it really doesn't seem like you are very well informed.

    Thank you everyone at Mollys and Lori for your tireless work and for helping the animals.
    You take burdens off of other rescue groups and the SPCA's in the area by helping all these animals.

    Everyone who is complaining should spend a few hours in there cleaning up after the dogs and helping out to see what it is really like.
     
    Re; the dog theft charges...sounds like alot of stories are getting thrown in the mix. 
    coloring the dog's hair....changing a microchip.....these are alittle far fetched.
     
     If Lori didn't want to give the people the first dog she never would have given them any dog. 
  •  08-11-2006, 3:58 PM 751495 in reply to 748997

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    How can you get complete info on a rescue animal if their isn't any?  What kind of medicine will your pet be on the rest of it's life after being treated for heartworms? When I adopted my dog from MP they never said that it had been tested for HW. People, we have to assume some responcibility for our pets!
  •  08-11-2006, 4:04 PM 751519 in reply to 749005

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    That was her desicion to put the puppy down.  Lots of dogs survive parvo. 

    So what if it wasn't your veterinarians's antibiotic of choice .  That is why everyone is encouraged to see their veterinarian as soon as they can if there is a problem.  At least your puppy was started on something.  Quit complaining.

  •  08-11-2006, 4:08 PM 751536 in reply to 749126

    Re: Animal Shelter Allegations

    They are quarantined for 2 weeks before being put up for adoption.  If you feel so strongly about helping animals what are you doing?

    Why don't you start a rescue or open a spay neuter clinic.

    I know it's easier to complain.

  •  08-11-2006, 7:24 PM 752135 in reply to 751033

    Re: Animal Shelter Allegations

    To the individual who made the comment about Molly's taking the burden off other shelters...How is she doing that when she is bringing in animals from out of state? She's adding to a problem we already have! Our area shelters are full to capacity that people have to be turned away & she has the luxury of bringing in animals from other places. For every animal brought in from out of state one from PA dies, either out on the street because it could not get into one of our PA OVERCROWED shelters or it dies within a shelter that kills to make room for more. Help the poor animals that are dying here first than worry about other states! And don't say she doesn't do this because they state this on their web site.

    Everone I have spoken to who has adopted an animal from Molly's said that they walked out of the place the same day with no cheking or anything being done. I don't think that many, many people could be making this up.

    As far as cleaning up after the animals etc. you make it sound like its such a hard thing to do. If you do your job there is NO reason the place should be disgusting & smelly. I work for a shelter too & we have much more animals than Molly's Place & our facility is immaculate. We pride oourselves on how clean we keep things & how much love the animals get from our volunteers. It's not a business transaction for us.

     

     

     

     

     

     

  •  08-11-2006, 7:41 PM 752203 in reply to 752135

    Re: Animal Shelter Allegations

    Yes it is TRUE Molly's Place dosent  RUN a BACKGROUND check on..

     

    They just take ur word for it that u are going to care for the dog/cat and give it what u need..

     

    Molly's is a very good place to go to if u want to ADOPT an animal because MOST PLACE will alow CERTIN people to ADOPT animals from SHELTERS because ther LVING ARGANEMENT  and even to the MILITARY...

     

    Heck I was in Petsmart in Mechanisburg last weekend they wore haivng there PET ADOPTION and there was this collage girl in there and she was holding this black little kitten that was all curled up and alsoeep in her ARMS

     

    She was told I'm sry hun because u are a COLLAGE STUDENT ur a HIGH RISK to us there fore we can not and WILL NOT alow u to ADOPT our PETS..

     

    Know to me that BS

     

    How is any of this different form what's going on with these shelters


    WHATEVER
  •  08-11-2006, 10:05 PM 752613 in reply to 752135

    Re: Animal Shelter Allegations

    Not all of the animals from Molly's are from out of state. I know that our rescue is often over full and Molly's relieves us when she can.

     

    Cleaning up after dogs is not "hard" as you say especially when the dogs  are kept in      cages (as in most shelters). When there are many   dogs free roaming and interacting  there are alot of puddles.    Mollys place staff is excellent at keeping the floor clean.

  •  08-11-2006, 11:26 PM 752892 in reply to 748618

    Re: Animal Shelter Allegations

    I think one point is getting overlooked and that is the number of people who have come forward saying they have gotten sick dogs from Molly's place.  I think the numbers are alarming.  I have spoken with many people attending animal related events that have gotten sick dogs from them, not just the few who have posted here.  Yes animals do get sick, but animal care organizations have a responsibility to people who are adopting animals as well as to the animals themselves to make sure they are healthy before they leave the people who have sworn to help them.  There are plenty of organizations who adopt out healthy animals.  Why are there so many complaints about one organization?  I have not had one person complain about another organization adopting out sick animals probably because the other organizations take proper precautions and necessary medical intervention to make sure their animals are healthy.  Like I said, animals get sick, but with proper medical care and proper sanitation, the number of animals that get sick right after being adopted should be minimal.  That says there is a problem with either their sanitation or their lack of medical treatment.  Also, I know the larger organizations like the humane society and SPCA do their best to get as much information as possible about an animal either when they come in or while they are there.  The organization I work with has gotten animals from both and we did get information on the animals we took if they had it, but more importantly, we observe our animals to find out what they like and don't and try to anticiapte any behavior problems.  We don't try to quickly turn animals out.  We like to have as much information as possible on an animal before they go out and we tell potential adopters everything we know about the animal before they put an application in on an animal.  We also screen to make sure the animal is going to the best home for the animal.  yes that means we have to turn away people who may want an animal very badly, but if they can not provide a suitable home for the animal we can not in good conscience give them the animal.  That does not mean they are bad pet owners, just that the dog/cat they want may not suite their lifestyle, space, etc....  I know of a family who wanted a dog at Molly's place and they were "approved" by them to get the dog but they changed their mind.  A good thing the family changed their mind because I happen to know that this family already had a dog they let roam becuause fences are ugly and the dog they already had was hit by a car and lived, yet they still let the dog roam.  Would that be a good home for another dog to maybe not be so lucky?  The woman who runs Molly's place says she was protecting the dog she swtiched the chip in from the family because it was runing etc.... yet she was willing to adopt a dog to a family who was doing the same thing?  And if the family was so bad, why was she willing to try and pass another dog off as their dog and let them have that one?  Could it be because the one she tried to give them was less adoptable and the dog that was "being abused" was more adoptable and therefore able to provide income faster and cost less to the organization?  We would all love to be able to just take a dog that we feel is being mistreated but there are laws we have to abide by and although they may suck we have to abide by the law or suffer the consequences which could mean losing our beloved organization.  We can help more animals by doing things by the law and educating people then we can by making our own rules and risk losing everything and thus, not being able to help any animals.  There will always be disgruntled people who did not get their way either volunteering at an organization or trying to adopt from an organization that were turned down and they will have plenty of bad things to say, but if an organization is doing things right and providing proper care etc. to the animals and adopters then there will be plenty more good word of mouth and not so much negativity which goes a long way.
  •  08-12-2006, 6:07 AM 753084 in reply to 752892

    Re: Animal Shelter Allegations

    When we adopted our pets from Molly's Place, we were screened. My animals were healthy. I got animals from Paws and the Humane society in the past and both of those cats were sick. I nearly lost both of them. I spent a couple hundred dollars on Veterinarian bills right away on the PAWS and the HUMANE Society kitties. They got better, thankfully and I still have them. Both cats are adorable, although the orange tabby is sometimes very naughty. We tolerate all his naughty behavior because he rubs his face right up against your cheek and purrs. That will make you put up with alot!!

    One of the cats does have an ongoing urinary tract problem that we monitor and treat it as necessary. I think the only reason we are hearing about the problems with pets from Molly's Place is because of the original story that surfaced about the runaway dog. When the each of the kittens nearly died, I felt frantic. I am sure everyone who gets an animal who begins to fail must feel the same way. I did not think PAWS or the Humane Society were terrible organizations because I got sick animals from them. I thought I took on the challenge of a rescue animal, because I believe it is the right thing to do for our community and for the animals. It figures that when I adopt animals (an adorable cat, another orange tabby not as naughty though, and a mixed breed dog, a true sweety pie who lays in the middle of the yard with her legs splayed and her belly up facing the sun)  that have pet insurance, I don't need to use it.

    I am so sorry for the woman who lost her sweet puppy. I hope they are doing okay. Losing an animal is terrible. When I lost my first cat, I was very depressed and when I lost my first dog I did not sleep properly for two months.

     

     

     

  •  08-12-2006, 5:30 PM 753852 in reply to 749126

    Re: Animal Shelter Allegations

    Wasnt it that saying "You cant always believe what is said on television."

    Have you been to Molly's Place? Have you asking the screening that is done on these puppies? Have you seen the shelters that these puppies have come from? Call your local veterinarian and ask what the charge would be to have your puppy checked, spayed, vaccinated, microchipped, frontlined, dewormed and the cost of 30 days of pet insurance. It'll be a bit pricey and way over the small 300 dollar sum that Lori is asking for. Try getting some more information befoer you hassel something you dont understand..

  •  08-12-2006, 5:47 PM 753876 in reply to 752892

    Re: Animal Shelter Allegations

    People Lie.

    People tend to know what to say and how to say it correctly. You cant use a lie detector on every person who wishes to adopted an animal. Many people who adopt a puppy do not follow rules that are being said to them, and when their puppy falls ill they have no one to blame but the rescue group they got it from. Viruses and dieases are mostly being spread through unrine, *** and saliva. So when the adopters take the puppy from a shelter and walk it all around a high dog traffic area and the dog falls ill the next morning, they blame the shelter. People need to understand how easy it is for young puppies to get sick. They are infants.

    As for the whole Rex ordeal. You are only getting one side of the story. Words have and always will be misleading. People only hear what they want to hear, and when you tell then the truth they dont want to believe you. Trying getting more information about Mollys Place anad how it is ran before you make opinions about something you dont understand. Dont foreget that less then a year ago nothing but great things were being done at this rescue facility. "When someone does something right no one remembers, but when they do something wrong no one forgets." That is why there is so much negtivity being spread around. No one cares about young billy passing the 8th grade, but when he beat someone up then its a story.

  •  08-12-2006, 5:51 PM 753879 in reply to 753084

    Re: Animal Shelter Allegations

    Thank you Rubyme for understanding that all animals from all facilites do in fact get sick and some do in fact pass away. Not every human in the world is going to have a happy fairy-tale ending. Media likes sad, depressing information. Happy tales are not very intresting.
  •  08-12-2006, 9:57 PM 754338 in reply to 751519

    Re: Animal Shelter Allegations

    I work for a shelter too & know what it costs to get an animal ready for adoption. In our shelter’s case we take in animals that most other shelters would not take or would euthanize: abused, neglected, injured, sick, animals that have been shot, hit by cars, etc. It cost us a lot more than $300.00 to get these animals ready for adoption. In some cases it exceeds a couple thousand yet when that animal is healthy & ready for adoption we do not charge the adopter $2,000. they get charged the standard adoption fee which is $125.00 for dogs & $80.00 for cats. Oh, & we don’t charge people EXTRA because an animal is a pure breed. Don’t want to hear a sob story on costs because most of the people responding here ARE from other shelters & know what it is all about.

    Also some of us responding KNOW Lori Johnson from dealing with her over the years. She is not the kind, wonderful saint you make her out to be. She is very selfish, heartless & uncaring. Lori only cares about Lori. It’s about time that the public finds out what she has been doing for years & about time that she pays the price.

    If there was not enough evidence in the dog theft case Lori would not have been charged but she was wasn’t she?  And as far as News 21…they investigate a story before they splatter in all over TV so they must have found some validity  or they wouldn’t have done these stories & risk their good reputation.

  •  08-13-2006, 10:24 AM 754940 in reply to 752203

    Re: Animal Shelter Allegations

    WeatherWife:

    Yes it is TRUE Molly's Place dosent  RUN a BACKGROUND check on..

    They just take ur word for it that u are going to care for the dog/cat and give it what u need..

    Molly's is a very good place to go to if u want to ADOPT an animal because MOST PLACE will alow CERTIN people to ADOPT animals from SHELTERS because ther LVING ARGANEMENT  and even to the MILITARY...

    Heck I was in Petsmart in Mechanisburg last weekend they wore haivng there PET ADOPTION and there was this collage girl in there and she was holding this black little kitten that was all curled up and alsoeep in her ARMS

    She was told I'm sry hun because u are a COLLAGE STUDENT ur a HIGH RISK to us there fore we can not and WILL NOT alow u to ADOPT our PETS..

    Know to me that BS

    How is any of this different form what's going on with these shelters

    When shelters get their animals a lot of times more often that not, they are in horrible condition. We have to get them medical care & rehabilitate them before they can be adopted. Don't you think that these animals who have gone through so much deserve to have the best homes possible? A good shelter will do background checks to assure this.

    And yes, people do get denied like the college kid at PetMart. College kids live on campus & have no jobs so if the animal gets sick who is going to pay for it's medical care? Do you know how many animals  especially cats end up at shelters that are found roaming on College Campuses. When the kids go home they simply dump the cats. We have received many many cats from Colleges.

     

    Do you know how many dogs & cats come from apartment complexes because when the landlord finds out that someone has a pet that they are not allowed to have it ends up on the street?

     

    I think you need to work at a shelter before you start busting on them.

  •  08-13-2006, 10:34 AM 754957 in reply to 754338

    Re: Animal Shelter Allegations

    Yes, you must know Lori so well that you can't even spell her last name correctly. 

    Once again, I am completely astonished by the stupidity & ignorance of people.  I too, personally know Lori Johnston and to say that she &  Molly's Place Rescue Center is "all about the money" is completely absurd.  She is a person with a passion.  She has a passion for animals and a MISSION to save and protect these animals who cannot speak for themselves.  Many of us (including me) can say we are animal lovers, but very few of us would be willing to take on the task of rescuing and caring for the amount of animals that come and go through Molly's Place and are successfully adopted.  What is even more disheartening, is reading negative & derogatory comments from other "shelters" and "volunteers"' who are supposedly trying to acheive the same goal.  Volunteers who assumedly spend 10 hours a week "volunteering" and then climb into their over-priced SUVS and go home and go about their business.  By criticizing other rescue places and calling for the "shutting down" of such places simply as a selfish way to express your own opinions, you have just defeated your own purpose and caused the very animals you want to help to suffer more. 

    As for the woman whose puppy died after adopting it from Molly's Place,......animals do get sick.  Sometimes one can't tell an animal is sick until it starts to show visible signs and symptoms.  Just as with humans.  If even she brought the puppy home and didnt' realize it was sick, how would the rescue center know.  They do have a 30 day veterinary insurance guarantee up to $500. And she did have the option to take the dog back which was not mentioned in the segment. Molly's Place does not knowingly sell sick animals.  They have an isolation room to keep new animals  in until they are deemed healthy enough for adoption and vets who do come in on a volunteer basis.  Ashamedly, I purchased my dog from a pet store, a mixed-breed for FIVE HUNDRED dollars (unspayed, no micro-chip) and it too became sick with kennel cough.  And I am sure animals from PAWS, SPCA, Helen Krause & the Humane Society have become sick after adoptions as well.  Part of pet ownership responsibility is knowing there are risks and being prepared for them.  And although I do feel for the woman and her family as I am also a pet owner, please put it in perspective, folks.  She broke down and cried and said the puppy was a "member of the family" after only having it for how many weeks?  Try losing a spouse or a child. As I have.

    In response to Molly's Place allegedly being filthy and dirty and malodorous....it's an ANIMAL FACILITY.  Animals defecate and urinate. Anytime I have been there, messes are cleaned up immediately.  How wonderful that the dogs are permitted to roam freely and socially interact with anyone that comes in and with the other dogs.  But I suppose there are those who much prefer to see them shoved into littel metal wire cages with glass windows and nothing more than a rubber pad and if lucky, a toy....and with children banging on the windows, and squealing in digust when the animals eat their own waste to entertain themselves. 

    And how about the Deimlers?  Since I don't personally know them, let's focus on the facts.  Their unneutered, tick & flea infested, matted-hair dog had been picked up by the Humane Society on more than one occassion. Never mind the fact that the only reason the dog was identified the 2nd time at the Humane Society was through the chip that Molly's Place so responsibly  placed and the Deimlers so irresponsibly never even registered.  You would think that one would immediately do this if their dog has a history of getting loose or running away. Or invest in a fence? All of this would not have even been an issue if the Deimlers had taken responsibility for their animal and proper preventative measures to ensure their dog's and the community's safety.  And seemingly, another dog in that household has also gotten loose and to this day is still not found.   Will the news media cover the future story of when Max is found lying dead on the side of  Trindle Road?  Or how many unwanted litters of puppies are being produced by the other unneutered dog running loose?  And will this also be blamed on Lori & Molly's Place again?  

    All I can say is THANK YOU, Lori and THANK YOU, Molly's Place for doing what you can for the many abused, neglected and unwanted animals in not just our area but other areas as well.  Who cares where the animals are coming from--they're all animals in need.  Thank you to the other area non-kill shelters as well...I only hope that you can come together for your cause.   Lori---you have guts & courage.  You were willing to stand up for what you believe in and do whatever had to be done, to protect an animal unable to protect itself.  Keep doing what you're doing!

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